Saturday, March 28, 2009

Paedobaptism

After the baptism talk we had at our last gathering, I've heard more and more stuff relating to baptism. I haven't gone out of my way very much to read things about it since the topic really doesn't have much bearing on my life right now, but I still have some questions about paedobaptism that I'm hoping some of you who understand it can answer.

The other day in a class at WTS, a professor made a side comment where he said he had a hard time with Presbyterians' view on paedobaptism because it's supposedly welcoming the infant into the covenant family and yet the child cannot come to the family table (communion) until he becomes a member of the church. I had never realized that that was the case in Presbyterian churches. In the Methodist church I grew up in we were always allowed to take communion even before we went through confirmation and joined, and in the Anglican church I went to in Columbia children were allowed to take communion if they were with their parents.

So what's the deal? How can we call what we're doing baptism if it doesn't result in the child having the benefits (I would say communion is one of the most important benefits) of being a member of the covenant family. I'm sure that this incongruity hasn't gone unanswered by Presbyterians, so does anyone know the answer?

Looking forward to hearing from y'all. And also, where are these updates I've been asking for for the last month or two? I want to hear how y'all are doing.

5 comments:

Unknown said...

I've been talking to everyone that will listen about this. I'm not sure the benefits of baptism is a person being able to take communion.

Rev. Rob Sturdy made a good point in a conversation we had several weeks ago that baptism doesn't do anything it is the action of faith.

Reggie Smith said...

Yeah, I agree that it doesn't do anything, rather it's a symbol of your commitment to Christ, or as the WCF puts it: "[Baptism] is a sacrament of the New Testament, ordained by Jesus Christ, not only for the solemn admission of the party baptized into the visible Church; but also to be unto him a sign and seal of the covenant of grace, of his ingrafting into Christ, of regeneration, of remission of sins, and of his giving up unto God, through Jesus Christ, to walk in the newness of life." So it's not only a sign but it also serves as admission into the visible church, if you buy what the WCF says.

At the same time, the WCF says that communion is "to be observed in [Christ's] Church". Is it too much to say that the "in" there could just as easily be a "by"? But in most Presby churches, you have to be a member in good standing in a church to take communion.

So again, what gives? If baptism is admission into the visible church then shouldn't you be able to take communion? And if it's just a promise of future admission into the church, then shouldn't we call it something else, like "dedication" or something like that?

Unknown said...

i very much desire to hear Fr. Iain's thoughts on paedobaptism as we wrestle through this topic.

Ricardo said...

I've always struggled with baptism of those not cognizant of what they are even experiencing. (Babies, the comatose, natives who have no translator)

I have always taken the sorta hard stance that if by OUR commitment we could baptise anyone we want into the "faith" then we should get the planes they use for forest fires and just douse everyone one day. Worldwide, in the name of the.. well you get it.

To me it seems weird to make a commitment to Christ for someone who may never agree with it making and who may never profess the faith it represents. Like we do "for" our kids.

Ricardo said...

CORRECTION

... for someone who may never agree with ITS making and who may never profess the faith it represents.